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Post by lucian11 on Jul 25, 2008 14:02:10 GMT -5
What's keeping Pip back? Is it fear of moving on? Is it her love for Fee? Is it the magic/power she has in the realms?
I'd really like to indulge the romantic notion that Pip is desperately trying to hold on to 'life' because she can't bear losing Fee but the more I think about it the more I tend to believe she's not really in love with Fee, that she's actually heterosexual and she is driven by purely selfish motives.
Pip's knight. In RA, page 269 (paperback) Gemma says that the knight was dreamed of and called by Pip's longing but how can you long for a knight when you are in love with your female best friend?
Of course you could argue that the knight was simply the result of Pippa's conservative upbringing. She wasn't really waiting for a knight, she was hoping for a savior to come and free her from the life she was living. But we could also argue that Fee was nothing more than Pippa's way of going against her repressive family.
In the Caves of Sighs: Ann stands before a bas-relief of a face with long flat face nose and large, full lips […] Gemma thinks immediately of Kartik (so we could assume the face is of a man) Pippa joins Ann in tracing the curves of the status. Only Fee isn't drawn to it. (RA, page 327 paperback)
And in tSFT it isn't made clear whether Pippa wanted to keep Fee with her in the realms cause she was truly in love or simply bitter and possessive.
What do you guys think?
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Post by julietmontague on Jul 25, 2008 19:14:53 GMT -5
I think what makes Pippa infatuated with Knights and Princes and all that jazz is that they represent being loved and adored and admired unconditionally, which is really what she desires. She quenched said thirst through the adoration she received from Fee and also from the factory girls. This also explains her love of power; having power over people must mean they adore you, in her mind And also why she would be so hurt when Gemma, Ann, and Fee would seem to neglect her or leave her out; she felt as though they didn't love her anymore.
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Post by juniper on Jul 25, 2008 19:30:27 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused, like you. My best guess is that at first she didn't want to move on because she wanted to hold onto life, and then that slowly changed/overlaped with the power of realms.
As for the whole 'loving Fee' thing, I'm sure she loved Fee, I'm just not sure if it was a romantic love (if this was true, than I'm pretty sure Pip was bisexual, due to the whole Knight thing) or a 'friendship-type love' (and if this is true, she probably manipulated Fee's love for her, because let's face it, Pip loved attention, and she wanted to be the top rung on Fee's ladder, however possible).
But by the end of TFST, I think Pip was too far gone to hold any love for anyone but herself. I think her reasons for wanting to keep Fee were due to Pip's want of power. Pip knew of Fee's feelings, and I think she wanted, for once, to be in control of the ever-so-powerful-Fee.
EDIT: now that I've seen juliet's post, I think she really sums it up best. It all comes down to Pip's want of being adored and the center of attention.
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Post by lucian11 on Jul 26, 2008 11:51:54 GMT -5
Sinead over at aGaTB thread on the ew.net board had a beautiful opinion on the subject which I share to some point but I'm still not convinced about Pip's feelings.
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Post by julietmontague on Jul 26, 2008 22:32:12 GMT -5
^Wow, that's some amazing insight! Oh, Libba, why are you so fantastic?
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Post by cindagirl14 on Jul 28, 2008 11:39:10 GMT -5
libba posted a little about this on her livejournal in response to a question about the third book:
“Was Felicity always gay/Were Fee and Pip always lovers?”
I always felt that Fee was gay and that she was in denial, thus the fling with Ithal and others. I don’t think it’s until she has the freedom of the realms that she begins to understand herself and her feelings for Pip. I always felt that Pip’s sexuality might be more in flux. She doesn’t really know who she is or what she wants and wants people to tell her, which is part of what makes her so dangerous. She does love Fee but she enjoys toying with people—she enjoys having people want her. (She manipulates Bessie’s affections quite a bit.) But Felicity’s love for her is true and, as said, probably keeps Pip human a while longer past her “sell by” date. Though there are hints along the way, I don’t think it’s until TSFT that they act on their feelings.
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Post by lucian11 on Jul 28, 2008 15:32:53 GMT -5
Thank you cindagirl14 that is so enlightening!!! Do you have a link to it? Do you know how can we post questions to Libba?
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Post by cindagirl14 on Jul 29, 2008 8:14:25 GMT -5
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